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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Bertha Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Bertha Reply with quote

Looks like the NHC just bumped up the probability of 92L (20-50%) of becoming a TC within 24-48 hours. It probably won't happen that quick but odds are that it should gain strength as the system chugs along. Never know with these storms though.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Bertha Reply with quote

A repeat performance? On July 1, 1996 a tropical wave moved off Africa and on July 5 became a tropical depression. Shortly thereafter it was named Tropical Storm Bertha. Here's the 1996 track.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Bertha Reply with quote

Now that would be really interesting to see. I pulled up all the text data from that storm on WU and noticed Bertha got up to a Cat 3 and reached winds of 115mph. Shocked

Date: Time: Lat: Lon: Wind(mph): Pressure: Storm Type:
07/05 00 GMT 9.8 34.0 35 1009 Tropical Depression
07/05 06 GMT 10.2 36.3 35 1008 Tropical Depression
07/05 12 GMT 11.0 39.0 40 1007 Tropical Storm
07/05 18 GMT 12.0 41.2 40 1006 Tropical Storm
07/06 00 GMT 12.7 43.9 40 1005 Tropical Storm
07/06 06 GMT 13.1 46.6 40 1004 Tropical Storm
07/06 12 GMT 13.7 48.7 45 1002 Tropical Storm
07/06 18 GMT 14.2 51.0 50 1000 Tropical Storm
07/07 00 GMT 14.9 52.9 60 999 Tropical Storm
07/07 06 GMT 15.6 54.8 65 997 Tropical Storm
07/07 12 GMT 16.4 56.9 70 995 Tropical Storm
07/07 18 GMT 16.5 58.4 80 992 Category 1 Hurricane
07/08 00 GMT 17.0 60.1 85 988 Category 1 Hurricane
07/08 06 GMT 17.5 61.8 85 985 Category 1 Hurricane
07/08 12 GMT 18.0 63.5 80 983 Category 1 Hurricane
07/08 18 GMT 18.6 64.9 85 978 Category 1 Hurricane
07/09 00 GMT 19.4 66.1 90 70 Category 1 Hurricane
07/09 06 GMT 20.3 67.7 115 960 Category 3 Hurricane
07/09 12 GMT 21.4 69.4 115 965 Category 3 Hurricane
07/09 18 GMT 22.5 71.1 105 967 Category 2 Hurricane
07/10 00 GMT 23.6 72.6 100 969 Category 2 Hurricane
07/10 06 GMT 24.5 74.0 90 971 Category 1 Hurricane
07/10 12 GMT 25.4 75.3 90 968 Category 1 Hurricane
07/10 18 GMT 26.4 75.8 90 966 Category 1 Hurricane
07/11 00 GMT 27.5 76.4 85 968 Category 1 Hurricane
07/11 06 GMT 28.3 76.8 85 972 Category 1 Hurricane
07/11 12 GMT 29.2 77.5 85 977 Category 1 Hurricane
07/11 18 GMT 30.0 78.0 80 980 Category 1 Hurricane
07/12 00 GMT 30.7 78.3 80 982 Category 1 Hurricane
07/12 06 GMT 31.2 78.6 80 984 Category 1 Hurricane
07/12 12 GMT 32.2 78.4 100 975 Category 2 Hurricane
07/12 18 GMT 33.6 78.1 105 974 Category 2 Hurricane
07/13 00 GMT 35.0 77.6 75 993 Category 1 Hurricane
07/13 06 GMT 36.7 77.0 70 993 Tropical Storm
07/13 12 GMT 38.3 76.1 70 994 Tropical Storm
07/13 18 GMT 40.2 74.5 70 994 Tropical Storm
07/14 00 GMT 42.1 71.9 70 994 Tropical Storm
07/14 06 GMT 44.1 69.0 65 995 Tropical Storm
07/14 12 GMT 46.0 66.0 60 995 Extratropical Storm
07/14 18 GMT 47.0 62.0 60 995 Extratropical Storm
07/15 00 GMT 48.0 57.0 60 995 Extratropical Storm
07/15 06 GMT 49.0 52.0 50 996 Extratropical Storm
07/15 12 GMT 51.0 47.0 45 996 Extratropical Storm
07/15 18 GMT 54.0 44.0 45 996 Extratropical Storm
07/16 00 GMT 57.5 42.5 45 991 Extratropical Storm
07/16 06 GMT 58.5 42.5 45 988 Extratropical Storm
07/16 12 GMT 59.5 42.0 50 988 Extratropical Storm
07/16 18 GMT 59.8 41.0 50 985 Extratropical Storm
07/17 00 GMT 60.0 40.0 45 993 Extratropical Storm
07/17 06 GMT 60.5 39.0 40 1001 Extratropical Storm
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Bertha Reply with quote

chris wrote:
Looks like the NHC just bumped up the probability of 92L (20-50%) of becoming a TC within 24-48 hours. It probably won't happen that quick but odds are that it should gain strength as the system chugs along. Never know with these storms though.


How quick it develops will determine the track. A weak system is shallow and will steered by the low level flow. A moderate to strong system is deep and will try to turn poleward. Weak means west and strong means Poleward. The models are anticipating strengthening thus we see a northwest turn to the forecast track as the system will be heading towards a weakness to the north. It is not uncommon to see the models want to turn a system north that forms this far east. Many times the models will start to trend further west if the system doesn't form as quickly as forecast. This will be a wait and see game for a number of days. We may even see a northwest track for a number of days followed by a turn back to the west as blocking high pressure builds to the north. One thing for sure.....it's always interesting.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Bertha Reply with quote

Winds 25 kts, pressure down to 1009 MB.

TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE MESSAGE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
0040 UTC WED JUL 2 2008

DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.
PLEASE REFER TO NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE
AND SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION.

ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR

DISTURBANCE INVEST (AL922008) 20080702 0000 UTC

...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS. .. ...36 HRS...
080702 0000 080702 1200 080703 0000 080703 1200

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 12.0N 19.0W 12.2N 21.5W 12.1N 24.5W 11.6N 27.6W
BAMD 12.0N 19.0W 12.3N 21.4W 12.6N 23.8W 13.0N 26.3W
BAMM 12.0N 19.0W 12.3N 21.5W 12.4N 24.1W 12.3N 27.0W
LBAR 12.0N 19.0W 12.2N 21.9W 12.7N 25.1W 13.0N 28.6W
SHIP 25KTS 30KTS 38KTS 51KTS
DSHP 25KTS 30KTS 38KTS 51KTS

...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS. .. ..120 HRS...
080704 0000 080705 0000 080706 0000 080707 0000

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 10.7N 30.5W 10.1N 33.2W 14.3N 35.9W 19.9N 40.5W
BAMD 13.3N 28.8W 14.8N 33.5W 17.9N 38.8W 21.4N 43.5W
BAMM 12.0N 29.5W 12.9N 33.1W 17.1N 37.3W 21.7N 41.8W
LBAR 13.5N 32.1W 14.0N 39.5W 13.5N 46.8W .0N .0W
SHIP 61KTS 80KTS 85KTS 86KTS
DSHP 61KTS 80KTS 85KTS 86KTS

...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR = 12.0N LONCUR = 19.0W DIRCUR = 280DEG SPDCUR = 13KT
LATM12 = 11.5N LONM12 = 16.5W DIRM12 = 282DEG SPDM12 = 12KT
LATM24 = 11.0N LONM24 = 14.0W
WNDCUR = 25KT RMAXWD = 40NM WNDM12 = 25KT
CENPRS = 1009MB OUTPRS = 1012MB OUTRAD = 120NM SDEPTH = M
RD34NE = 0NM RD34SE = 0NM RD34SW = 0NM RD34NW = 0NM
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Bertha Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Bertha Reply with quote

Here's the latest pic from NRL. Looking good.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:31 am    Post subject: Re: Bertha Reply with quote

CYCLONE GUIDANCE MESSAGE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
0655 UTC WED JUL 2 2008

DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.
PLEASE REFER TO NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE
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ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR

DISTURBANCE INVEST (AL922008) 20080702 0600 UTC

...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS. .. ...36 HRS...
080702 0600 080702 1800 080703 0600 080703 1800

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 11.7N 20.3W 11.9N 22.6W 11.8N 25.3W 11.3N 28.1W
BAMD 11.7N 20.3W 11.9N 22.8W 12.0N 25.4W 12.0N 28.1W
BAMM 11.7N 20.3W 11.9N 22.6W 12.0N 25.2W 11.9N 27.8W
LBAR 11.7N 20.3W 11.8N 23.0W 12.2N 26.0W 12.5N 29.2W
SHIP 25KTS 30KTS 39KTS 48KTS
DSHP 25KTS 30KTS 39KTS 48KTS

...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS. .. ..120 HRS...
080704 0600 080705 0600 080706 0600 080707 0600

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 10.6N 30.3W 12.6N 32.5W 17.9N 37.2W 23.0N 42.7W
BAMD 11.8N 30.4W 13.3N 34.0W 18.0N 38.3W 23.1N 41.8W
BAMM 11.7N 30.0W 13.8N 33.2W 19.0N 37.8W 23.8N 42.4W
LBAR 12.9N 32.4W 13.5N 39.6W 13.3N 46.3W .0N .0W
SHIP 59KTS 81KTS 86KTS 83KTS
DSHP 59KTS 81KTS 86KTS 83KTS

...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR = 11.7N LONCUR = 20.3W DIRCUR = 275DEG SPDCUR = 12KT
LATM12 = 11.5N LONM12 = 17.7W DIRM12 = 275DEG SPDM12 = 12KT
LATM24 = 11.2N LONM24 = 15.3W
WNDCUR = 25KT RMAXWD = 40NM WNDM12 = 25KT
CENPRS = 1009MB OUTPRS = 1012MB OUTRAD = 120NM SDEPTH = M
RD34NE = 0NM RD34SE = 0NM RD34SW = 0NM RD34NW = 0NM
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:36 am    Post subject: Re: Bertha Reply with quote

The folks over at Storm2K don't seem to think this will do anything. I wonder what Joe Bastardi thinks about this potential TC?
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